Comments on: Deprecate certain extension points to guide developers?

By: admin

admin — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:52:11 +0000

@nat I agree partially. Tutorial are important thats why I try to keep http://www.vogella.de tutorials up to date. But in my opinion it is more important that the templates and default settings are up-to-date because that is there everyone has to start.

By: Nat

Nat — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:21:52 +0000

Even more important is to have documentation including tutorials:) reflect using newest api’s/technologies ONLY. For example, you might have a tutorial on (JFace) Master/Detail tables with databinding using Eclipse 3.5. All aspects of the tutorial should utilize the latest 3.5 “way of doing it” at any point where 3.5 introduced a newer methodology/api. Then you have the same tutorial for 3.4, pointing out where 3.5 introduced something new, AND advising if the specific 3.4 api can/should/should not/ be used in 3.5.
Of course it’s tough now to write new docs & tutorials this way for a few revisions, but all we need is a start, say 3.5, then doing it in 3.6, and so on will be simpler.
Conflicting api’s within Eclipse/JFace is a partial problem. The real problem is lack of CLEAR documentation as I suggested above.
Thanks for your good effort with the tutorials.
nat

By: boyang

boyang — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:13:43 +0000

hi,
i want to develop a plugin for carbide.c++,just convert the cpp to html.now i use eclipse, but i do not know how to debug, i have changed the target platform to carbide.c++ and debug configuration run a pruduct as “com.nokia.carbide.cpp.product”. the error information as follows:
1.Bundle org.eclipse.equinox.simpleconfigurator_1.0.100.v20090520-1905 [444] is not active.
2.Product com.nokia.carbide.cpp.product could not be found.
can you give me some help,thanks!

By: Lars Vogel

Lars Vogel — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:38:34 +0000

@Daniel: Please share your opinion also in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265231

By: Daniel Milosevic

Daniel Milosevic — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:34:09 +0000

I’m one of those new developers to Eclipse RCP and I’ve spent the last couple of weeks working with actions, as Marc mentioned, I saw this in the example and assumed it was the best approach.

Time to google “Eclipse RCP Commands”!

By: Eric Jain

Eric Jain — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:41:27 +0000

@Lars: This is perhaps a more general issue as there are quite a few commands that require registering an ActionFactory.*. Added a comment to the existing issue for now…

By: Lars Vogel

Lars Vogel — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:07:39 +0000

@Eric Jan: Can you open a bug for this? I have a similar bug report for resetPerspective https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=283234

By: Eric Jain

Eric Jain — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:17:25 +0000

If actions are going to be deprecated, shouldn’t Eclipse first allow me to build an application without having to use actions? For example, the following code still appears to be required to enable the save command in an RCP application (via an ActionBarAdvisor subclass):

@Override
protected void makeActions(IWorkbenchWindow window) {
register(ActionFactory.SAVE.create(window));
…
}

By: Lars Vogel

Lars Vogel — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:57:10 +0000

I opened https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=285089 for deprecating actions.

By: Tonny Madsen

Tonny Madsen — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:46:13 +0000

I agree completely.

Like so many others that makes living doing consultancy and mentoring in Eclipse, I think this really could help new developers. When it comes to extension points in Eclipse, *the* questions are which extension points to use for what and where to find the overview of the relevant extension points

Extension points in Eclipse, comes in three groups:

- those that are used in the daily work and everybody should know about – like org.eclipse.ui.menus and friends

- those you might use one per project and only just in a life time – like the many org.eclipse.team extension points

- those that should never be used and really should be deprecated – like org.eclipse.ui.popupActions and friends

The first group – which is the the relevant group for newcomers – is less than 1/3 of all the available extension points….