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		<title>By: Marc Dutoo</title>
		<link>http://www.vogella.de/blog/2009/12/09/evolving-emf-models/comment-page-1/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Dutoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lars, all

Well, actually talked about metamodel evolution at EclipseCon last week in the end. A not-so-surprising 2/3rd of the room was full and provided interesting questions, even met Sven of the Edapt project proposal that also includes COPE contributions (see http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/edapt/ ).

Session and slides at http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/sessions/?page=sessions&amp;id=1207

So all in all thanks for helping provide the idea !

Regards,
Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lars, all</p>
<p>Well, actually talked about metamodel evolution at EclipseCon last week in the end. A not-so-surprising 2/3rd of the room was full and provided interesting questions, even met Sven of the Edapt project proposal that also includes COPE contributions (see <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/edapt/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/edapt/</a> ).</p>
<p>Session and slides at <a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/sessions/?page=sessions&#038;id=1207" rel="nofollow">http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/sessions/?page=sessions&#038;id=1207</a></p>
<p>So all in all thanks for helping provide the idea !</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Marc</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tobias: The one included in the Eclipse XSL project. Not sure which version this is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tobias: The one included in the Eclipse XSL project. Not sure which version this is.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 

which XSLT-processor do you use? Do you use XSLT 2.0?

Cheers, Tobias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>
<p>which XSLT-processor do you use? Do you use XSLT 2.0?</p>
<p>Cheers, Tobias.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.vogella.de/blog/2009/12/09/evolving-emf-models/comment-page-1/#comment-1095</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for misspelling ATL, I corrected it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for misspelling ATL, I corrected it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Dutoo</title>
		<link>http://www.vogella.de/blog/2009/12/09/evolving-emf-models/comment-page-1/#comment-1094</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Dutoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lars

Feels like model evolution is fated to become a prominent topic...

At Eclipse JWT (Java Workflow Tooling http://eclipse.org/jwt ) we&#039;ve written an ATL-based converter to ease migrating existing models to new versions of our EMF metamodel. Basically, when trying to open an older model, it deduces which ATL transformations have to be applied before being able to open it.

We also do XSL but on very specific topics, however, I didn&#039;t know about COPE.

Maybe an interesting talk topic for the next EclipseCon ?

Regards,
Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lars</p>
<p>Feels like model evolution is fated to become a prominent topic&#8230;</p>
<p>At Eclipse JWT (Java Workflow Tooling <a href="http://eclipse.org/jwt" rel="nofollow">http://eclipse.org/jwt</a> ) we&#8217;ve written an ATL-based converter to ease migrating existing models to new versions of our EMF metamodel. Basically, when trying to open an older model, it deduces which ATL transformations have to be applied before being able to open it.</p>
<p>We also do XSL but on very specific topics, however, I didn&#8217;t know about COPE.</p>
<p>Maybe an interesting talk topic for the next EclipseCon ?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Marc</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a precision: you misspellt &quot;ALT&quot;, in fact it&#039;s ATL (stands for Atlas Transformation Language). ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a precision: you misspellt &#8220;ALT&#8221;, in fact it&#8217;s ATL (stands for Atlas Transformation Language). <img src='http://www.vogella.de/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was puzzled about the meaning of &quot;Eclipse ALT&quot;  project. You certainly mean ATL (Atlas Transformation language) :-)

I worked with XSLT for the plain XML transformation and with ATL for the model transformation. 

IMHO I would use ATL for dealing with EMF model (instances).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was puzzled about the meaning of &#8220;Eclipse ALT&#8221;  project. You certainly mean ATL (Atlas Transformation language) <img src='http://www.vogella.de/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I worked with XSLT for the plain XML transformation and with ATL for the model transformation. </p>
<p>IMHO I would use ATL for dealing with EMF model (instances).</p>
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		<title>By: Bernd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lars,

the problem with the XSLT stuff is that you are doing the transformation on the persistence format. This will only work until you are using the (less performant) XML or XMI resources. I&#039;d go with ATL, QVT, Xpand or Cope, depending on your needs...

Bernd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lars,</p>
<p>the problem with the XSLT stuff is that you are doing the transformation on the persistence format. This will only work until you are using the (less performant) XML or XMI resources. I&#8217;d go with ATL, QVT, Xpand or Cope, depending on your needs&#8230;</p>
<p>Bernd</p>
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