Comments on: Eclipse e4 New look and feel – A round the tab world http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/ Tips around Eclipse and Android programming Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:32:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Remy Chi Jian Suen http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1503 Remy Chi Jian Suen Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:17:34 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1503 Miles, please review the discussion that was had on e4-dev and respond on the list with more details if you believe your solution can work. http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/e4-dev/msg02606.html Miles, please review the discussion that was had on e4-dev and respond on the list with more details if you believe your solution can work.

http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/e4-dev/msg02606.html

]]> By: Miles Parker http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1487 Miles Parker Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:01:28 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1487 Hi Remy, Assuming that all of the elements have some kind of unique for container ID (they would pretty much have to), then you could simply do an id reference path, like so (just an example as I don't have the actual XMI) myreference="//@views[ID='view2']/@root/@menu[ID='createMenu']". Let me know if I can provide more details about the (probably imperfect) implementation in AMP. The really not so great thing about UUIDs beyond readability is that if anything happens to muck up the references suddenly you have no way at all of reconstructing the structure. The really nice thing about using paths is that you can understand structure even if oyu only have a text editor. cheers, Miles Hi Remy,

Assuming that all of the elements have some kind of unique for container ID (they would pretty much have to), then you could simply do an id reference path, like so (just an example as I don’t have the actual XMI) myreference=”//@views[ID='view2']/@root/@menu[ID='createMenu']“. Let me know if I can provide more details about the (probably imperfect) implementation in AMP.

The really not so great thing about UUIDs beyond readability is that if anything happens to muck up the references suddenly you have no way at all of reconstructing the structure.

The really nice thing about using paths is that you can understand structure even if oyu only have a text editor.

cheers,

Miles

]]> By: Ivan http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1460 Ivan Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:06:44 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1460 Agreed on the look of it - looks a little bubbly for the usual eclipse apps which are known for looking trim and effective. If anything UI's are getting even more minimal these days as we're bombarded by way too much data and apps open at one time. I'm thinking Chromes ultra-sleek/tiny look especially is a sign of the times. When I think of Apps that use every last little bit of space I think of trading platforms. Take a look at screenshots of ThinkorSwim for example. Large rounded corners are a major nono and if anything, falling to the wayside as a Web 2.0 relic. Agreed on the look of it – looks a little bubbly for the usual eclipse apps which are known for looking trim and effective.

If anything UI’s are getting even more minimal these days as we’re bombarded by way too much data and apps open at one time. I’m thinking Chromes ultra-sleek/tiny look especially is a sign of the times.

When I think of Apps that use every last little bit of space I think of trading platforms. Take a look at screenshots of ThinkorSwim for example. Large rounded corners are a major nono and if anything, falling to the wayside as a Web 2.0 relic.

]]> By: Remy Chi Jian Suen http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1457 Remy Chi Jian Suen Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:08:30 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1457 Miles: The xmi ids needs to at least be unique within the EMF resource. This is in place for the purpose of merging models. Currently I just invoke EcoreUtil.generateUUID() and take the string from that. I welcome alternate implementations of generating an identifier that is more sane. Miles: The xmi ids needs to at least be unique within the EMF resource. This is in place for the purpose of merging models. Currently I just invoke EcoreUtil.generateUUID() and take the string from that. I welcome alternate implementations of generating an identifier that is more sane.

]]> By: Tom Schindl http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1456 Tom Schindl Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:04:21 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1456 I've just send a IMHO improved ID-Proposal to e4-dev. My proposal is to at least prefix the ID with the element type. I’ve just send a IMHO improved ID-Proposal to e4-dev. My proposal is to at least prefix the ID with the element type.

]]> By: Lars Vogel http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1448 Lars Vogel Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:59:57 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1448 @Min and @Mario: you can decide to use the round corner via the described setting. This will be most likely be ported to CSS. @Min and @Mario: you can decide to use the round corner via the described setting. This will be most likely be ported to CSS.

]]> By: Miles Parker http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1446 Miles Parker Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:04:48 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1446 I like the idea of the rounded corners..it looks much better in this example: http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2010/03/10/e4-workbench-model-tooling/ Of course it has to be selectable, but the current Eclipse L&F is way too busy looking for a lot of usages. Sure, we're programmers so we like to fit as much stuff in as tiny a space as possible. But remember that not all app users are enterprise users -- I'd love to be able to put out an app that looks cleaner and I'd be willing to sacrifice some white space to get it. And btw, its not all zero sum -- note in the example above that the forms are actually much tighter than the default Eclipse forms. If you add a bit of space in some areas you can pack more detailed information down and people will still feel less overload. re: the XMI IDs and global uniqueness. Really? Why do they *have* to be this way? I think there has to be a really good reason to use GUIDs. Isn't there some sort of namespace that would work here? I like the idea of the rounded corners..it looks much better in this example:

http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2010/03/10/e4-workbench-model-tooling/

Of course it has to be selectable, but the current Eclipse L&F is way too busy looking for a lot of usages. Sure, we’re programmers so we like to fit as much stuff in as tiny a space as possible. But remember that not all app users are enterprise users — I’d love to be able to put out an app that looks cleaner and I’d be willing to sacrifice some white space to get it. And btw, its not all zero sum — note in the example above that the forms are actually much tighter than the default Eclipse forms. If you add a bit of space in some areas you can pack more detailed information down and people will still feel less overload.

re: the XMI IDs and global uniqueness. Really? Why do they *have* to be this way? I think there has to be a really good reason to use GUIDs. Isn’t there some sort of namespace that would work here?

]]> By: Mario Gutsche http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1444 Mario Gutsche Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:51:02 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1444 Hi Lars, thanks for the info, i hope everything will be 100% css-styleable, because these childish rounded corners look 0% Enterprise-Platform compatible. I hear my boss calling his .Net consultants if he would see this :-( Hi Lars,
thanks for the info, i hope everything will be 100% css-styleable, because these childish rounded corners look 0% Enterprise-Platform compatible.
I hear my boss calling his .Net consultants if he would see this :-(

]]> By: Remy Chi Jian Suen http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1440 Remy Chi Jian Suen Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:27:36 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1440 The xmi ids need to be globally unique and they are generated. You are however welcome to modify the regular ids as you please. The xmi ids need to be globally unique and they are generated. You are however welcome to modify the regular ids as you please.

]]> By: Jörg http://www.vogella.de/blog/2010/03/10/eclipse-e4-new-look-and-feel/comment-page-1/#comment-1436 Jörg Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:39:46 +0000 http://www.vogella.de/blog/?p=2135#comment-1436 Lars, thanks for finding out and sharing! These xmi id's look horrible, though. ;-) Lars, thanks for finding out and sharing!

These xmi id’s look horrible, though. ;-)

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